Monday, March 12, 2012

“In many ways things have reverted to the authoritarian, hierarchical, institutional model. Things are much more top-down,” he explained. “Everything seems to come from Rome. Bishops are appointed without much consultation with bishops of the region. There is a kind of emphasis on orthodoxy and fidelity and the magisterium and loyalty to the Holy Father that is the same as before the council.”
There has been a return to “rigidity” and an emphasis on “people measuring up to the church rather than the church ministering to people,” said Lombardi, who headed the Santa Rosa diocese’s clergy education office for 16 years. “At times I have seen good people suffer because of that rigidity.”

Take time to read this fine article in the March 12th edition of the National Catholic Reporter:

"Vatican II priests still embrace Council's model despite reversals" by Dan Morris-Young.

It troubles me a lot that Church is again returning to its authoritarian rigidity as seen in the 1940's-195o's...

Take a look and respond... 


Anonymous said...

Let's see... fewer priests, fewer monks and nuns, fewer catholic schools, fewer confessions,fewer marriages but more annulments!

This is the legacy of Vatican II. When will people admit that like many other things coming out of the 60's it was a failed experiment.

Quis Ut Deus said...

"There is a kind of emphasis on orthodoxy and fidelity and the magisterium and loyalty to the Holy Father that is the same as before the council.”

Perish the thought! Actually, they should "parish" that thought. Cry me a river. Seriously?! SERIOUSLY?! I see this comment as a glaring, explicit admission that pot-VII theology is UNORTHODOX, UNFAITHFUL, and DISLOYAL at best and implicative of PERFIDY, TREACHERY and TREASON!!!

WOW!....just, WOW! Did OJ just hand over the missing glove? Doh!

"...we are pulling back” from ongoing renewal. “I find that very sad.” - "Fr." Pettingill [emphasis mine]

This guy has no concept of the term "renewal." Let me help:

re•new   [ri-noo, -nyoo]
verb (used with object)
1. to begin or take up again, as an acquaintance, a conversation, etc.; resume.
2. to make effective for an additional period: to renew a lease.
3. to restore or replenish: to renew a stock of goods.
4. to make, say, or do again.
5. to revive; reestablish.

This guy thinks "renew" actually means to "modernize." There is a very distinct difference.

What this article points out (unwittingly, I believe), is the diabolic indoctrination that these VII priests underwent. They have been educated right out of their common sense and the CARA survey referenced in the article supports this assertion (as well as just about any other post-VII stats).

The entire article is replete with nonsensical and illogical argumentation. Complaining of “rigidity”? What they need is a rigid 2x4 to the cranium. And that goes for most of the replies in the comment section, esp. the couple that I saw suggestion we look to Hans Kung for advice….PUHleez!

I’d love to continue ripping this article apart but I now see it as a near occasion of sin.

How long, Lord?!

Kyrie eleison!

Anonymous said...

Stick a wafer in it, buddy! I agree with the article. I'm not going back to the days of pray, pay and obey!

Mark VA said...

Like Quis Ut Deus, I too found the complaints about the return to orthodoxy, fidelity, and the magisterium, very telling of the mindset of the Catholic left. As if orthodoxy, fidelity, and the magisterium were the three plagues to be avoided...

At any rate, the sway and the power the Catholic left held over the Church in our country for the past three or four decades, is waning. It is understandable that they will lament that fact, but the rest of us need not be too concerned with it. We should evangelise them instead.